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Sorry but I need to spill off what's in my mind, twirling about.
Read it if you have the heart for it. ;)

I just finished The Two Swords. And cannot find the words to express how disappointed and frustrated I felt about the anti-climatic way that RAS wrote about Drizzt and Catti-brie throughout the books.

Let's compare it to the act of making love: you are enjoying yourself and the climax of the act is slowing building up, and then just as you are reaching the peak of it, BAM!, someone pushes you away and makes you hit a wall. That's the pain I felt when I've read "The Passage to Dawn".
Then, pained as you are but still loving the thing, you try again. Although, while you are at it, you feel stretched, you feel tired, looks like the effort is not leading anywhere because you are forcing yourself into something. Then in the end you're rewarded with a tiny fleeting orgasm. What a waste of time!
That's how I've felt while reading the rest of the books until The Two Swords.

Yes, the thing I was more looking forward to see developing in the books was Drizzt and Catti-brie's relationship. I love them both and was eager to see more of them, amongst all the intrigues, adventures and creatures of the books. Every tiny detail about their relationship is fresh in my mind, for in the past weeks I have read nothing more than Drizzt's books.

My eagerness started at The Halfling's Gem.
First, the stares… the deep, locked stares that Drizzt and Catti-brie shared, hinting something was going on inside. When an author writes about details that in real life would seem unimportant, we have to consider them (that's how many readers knew right in the first book that Harry Potter would fall for Ginny later).
Catti-brie played an important part in making Drizzt become aware of himself and his true motives towards Entreri. And then she says that he should learn to welcome love in his life and that he missed some things, hinting Drizzt that perhaps he should have asked more of her before she fell for Wulfgar. Now was too late, but at that moment we see Drizzt starting to regard his dear friend as no longer a child, but a woman, an attractive woman, who knew his heart.

Later in the book, he kissed her in Tarterus, a spontaneous kiss that shown the reader how deep his feelings for her were already. And she reacted to it, showing Drizzt that she was alive. That kiss meant something to both of them!

But she was with Wulfgar now. The depression that Drizzt was in for days at the end of the book make us speculate that he might be digesting his forbidden feelings for her and come to therms with them.

Next follows The Legacy.
Catti-brie was to wed Wulfgar. Everybody looked happy and the preparations for the wedding were on. But something makes Catti-brie go to Drizzt alone and ask him not to miss the wedding. She hugs him and he senses that she's in the verge of tears. And that bothers him. Why would she come to him and ask that, when it was obvious that he wouldn't miss the event? The answer is obvious, at least to the readers: she knows that after the wedding, she and Drizzt will never be the same anymore. Deep inside she doesn't want that because she loves him.

As the story progresses, we see tension rising up between Catti-brie, Wulfgar and Drizzt. The barbarian was being over-protective and too possessive of her, as barbarians are with their women and, as we come to learn later, someone was influencing him to be jealous of Drizzt. He even challenges Drizzt for a fight in which one of them would die. Drizzt wins and Wulfgar is ashamed of his behaviour. With all this happening, Catti-brie's sadness about the wedding deepens. When she talks to Drizzt, he says to her something like: "the path is yours to choose so, for the sake of us all, especially yours, choose carefully." He kisses her on the cheek and leaves the room. At this point we already know that Drizzt loves her and we have lots of reasons to believe that Catti-brie loves Drizzt back, but doesn't know yet. After all, she's going to marry Wulfgar.

Later Wulfgar and Catti-brie kind of easy the anger between them, but in the meanwhile he dies an heroic death. A meaningful death. His errors toward Catti-brie were his demise but he realises that as the cave crumbles on him. Catti-brie and Bruenor are devastated. As they should be.
Any love that Catti-brie might feel for Drizzt was now buried deep.

Starless Night
We gotta love Drizzt vulnerability in this book…
He burdens himself with guilt for the bad deeds of his kin and decides to journey to Menzoberranzan alone, possibly in a suicide mission, to ensure that the dark elves don't threat the surface anymore. He leaves without notice, except for Regis. He wanted to tell Catti-brie but he didn't want to disturb her. She was already fighting her demons, locked in her room for days.
Some days after Drizzt left, Catti-brie feels that something is out of place. Suddenly she feels an urge to get Drizzt. Note that she's grieving for Wulfgar, but somehow she manage to feel this.
If this isn't a pure testament of her love for him, what is it then?
She goes to Regis and suspects he knows something. The way she makes Regis blurt out the information and the desperate state in which she falls after only adds more to my question. She even admits to herself that she loved Drizzt as much as she loved Wulfgar and she couldn't bear the feeling of loosing both. So she goes after Drizzt. Alone.
People in love do crazy things like that.

She stops at Silverymoon and visits Alustriel.
We know that Drizzt journeyed there often and was quite intimate with Alustriel. I don't believe something ever happened between the two, but they probably talked about that possibility. I say this because in one of Drizzt's introspections he hints that he doesn't love Alustriel in that way, nor she loves him.
In Alustriel chambers we witness how Catti-brie is awkward among lady-like things and how jealous she is of the Silverymoon lady because of her intimacy with Drizzt. Also we see a plot hole: Catti-brie reacts as she and Alustriel never met before, like Catti-brie was seeing her for the first time. Strange, as they had met at the Harpells in The Halfling's Gem.
When Catti-brie is about to leave, Alustriel states bluntly "You love him." Catti-brie just bits her lip, thinking, and leaves. What was she thinking? She had come to that conclusion herself, after all…

When she finally finds Drizzt in the Underdark I didn't feel a peak in the whole drama of having lived so much danger to finally find him, especially with finding Drizzt in the condition he was... tortured, almost dead, his mind stripped by an illithid. I just wish it had been a little more intense. She never saw the great Drizzt so vulnerable before, right?
Hardly I knew this to be a tiny hint of the love button randomly switched on and off we would have to endure throughout the books. Oh well… continuing on.
They fight together quite well and there are some cute moments to recall, one of them being the tight hug they share after saving Catti-brie from falling a precipice. Thank you RAS!

Siege of Darkness
This was the last book I really enjoyed reading…
Drizzt and Catti-brie were seemingly heading somewhere. Their feelings slowly finding their way to the surface, and we even get to see some sexual tension between them. It's made clear in this book that Drizzt feel attracted to her, desires her… and loves her.
I remember a fan argument saying that because he's a drow with a different life-span than that of humans and traumatic experiences, that made Drizzt an asexual being… Hardly, I would say. Take for instance in Streams of Silver: after he and Alustriel talked for the first time, Drizzt wondered where a meeting with her would take them if they ever met again in more accommodating therms. He even brushed aside that "fantasy", as he recalled it, for he had more important matters to think about.
Drizzt is not asexual. He simply don't wanna think about it.
When Catti-brie, possessed by the sword, pushes Drizzt to bed, he also fights his desire for the woman, sensing that something is not right with her.
Later on, in the last nice romantic conversation they have, it is written that a "large part of Drizzt" wished that it wasn't just the sword that made Catti-brie wanting to make love to him. And we also know her thoughts and feeling about it to be the same as Drizzt's. They're written.
In that conversation Catti-brie come to therms with her doubts and feelings for Wulfgar, both in the past and the present and starts to feel free to move on. She and Drizzt also admit that they love each other, but for the time being it was best to remain nothing more than friends. Drizzt still had to find his place in the world beside her without Wulfgar. What we get with this is that they don't wish to rush things. They also need to think about the inter-racial issue and what that brings to them.
In the end of the book, they journey together to see the world and live more adventures. Their place is not inside the walls of Mithral Hall.

Passage to Dawn
It starts.
Drizzt and Catti-brie were out adventuring through the world together for SIX WHOLE YEARS!!! O_O And nothing happened between them!!! Aw come on, Mr. RAS. It's simply not believable. Come on, it was plain obvious in the previous book what they felt about each other. Certainly the inter-racial issues that hold them could be sorted out in that time!! Wise Drizzt and wise Catti-brie would have talked about that, they would have plenty of time for it! It was obvious that Catti-brie was WASTING HER SHORT LIFETIME waiting for Drizzt's decision!! Does that make any sense? Would wise Drizzt let that happen? I don't believe so. Not if he ever loved Catti-brie. But he DID, Mr. RAS, you made that clear to us.
Don't say that all they did in all the nights they spent together, ALONE, were just gazing the stars for hours. That's ridiculous. Fiery Catti-brie? The same Catti-brie that was true to her feelings? The same Catti-brie that took the first step and knocked Wulfgar out of his boots with her passionate kisses? The Catti-brie that would throw herself to the abyss to help her friends or giving them courage despite the helpless looks of the situation? That Catti-brie would have kissed Drizzt already in those years! Taken the first step! She would throw all fears away in the name of love! She would be proud to be the mother of their half-drow children, making them see an example in their legendary father, the drow that walked the surface and was already loved and respected by so many. Drizzt would have felt overwhelmed by Catti-brie, that was why he loved her in the first place. Any fears she might have about ageing while Drizzt kept being a young drow would be dispelled by his true love for her, he would say that he would stand for her until the end.
He wouldn't be afraid of kissing her, because he already had once! More spontaneous kisses would happen in those 6 long years.

But no… in all those years they spent the nights gazing at the starts together… for hours.
This is written somewhere in the book, I swear!
The sparkle of love seemed to have been flushed down the toilet. At least for Catti-brie. When Danica asked her if she loved the drow, she didn't even answer. But the thought was
"Of course I love Drizzt. But I don't know if I love him the way she's talking about." What the??... O_O WHAT HAPPENED??? And what's worse, Wulfgar appeared in the same paragraph. After all these years, and after being stated in the previous book that she was ready to move on, she still thought of Wulfgar. Six years is a long time. Not to mention that she had someone very special at her side all the time, someone SHE LOVED! It's not natural. She was supposed to have come past Wulfgar a long time ago! And let's face it… Drizzt is times better than Wulfgar!!!

I've read this entire book with sadness, anger and frustration. Everytime Drizzt and Catti-brie touched hand, looked at each other, or Drizzt noticed how fair she was or how he loved her, I felt nothing. Because it meant nothing.

Then came Wulfgar. The whole book was already being average bad, especially the last chapters when Errtu catches the Chrystal shard. But since this post is about Drizzt and Catti-brie, I'll stick to them.
I can accept that Wulfgar was back. There's even an explanation later on how he came back. It's not too far fetched if we ignore that he spent a LOT of time in the abyss being tortured. I doubt a mere human like him would come back whole like he did. Unless demons were tender to him, which is not believable. He returned with some issues, yes, but the old Wulfgar was merely buried inside him. His mind wasn't shattered and dispersed like it would be expected.
Anyway, it wasn't this that really bothered me. It was the writing. Fast paced and ridiculous, somehow. The character's reactions were shallow regarding the whole situation. I didn't feel a thing, except an urge to laugh when all friends were contemplating the return of Wulfgar, except for Drizzt, who lost his Guenhwyvar to the lake and couldn't feel warm anymore without her. AHAHAH right on! With Wulfgar back and Catti-brie already eyeing him you would need the cat indeed!

Later, when Wulfgar asks Drizzt if he loved Catti-brie he says he loved her as he loved all his friends. And you read that he speaks truthfully, going against everything we know he felt.
Suddenly there's no love anymore. Everything RAS was building up between them throughout the series, making readers hope, was thorn apart. The question is: Why? Why did he do this? I'm still trying to understand. How come in so many books, in so many years, he would do this to the characters and, especially, to the readers?

Now with Wulfgar back I was hopeful to see Catti-brie sorting out that she really preferred Drizzt in the next book. She would remember how much they lived together all the years… and thus putting together the puzzle pieces that were hinted in the early books: that she already loved Drizzt when she was with Wulfgar! So there should be no more doubts.

But of course there were. Concerning Wulfgar there always were. Sometimes Drizzt and her would lock stares and feel how deep their love was. Then Catti-brie would stare at Wulfgar and seemed like they would make love passionately right there. Like if Catti-brie's hormones were activated by the sight of Wulfgar and tendered by Drizzt's.
I was annoyed when Catti-brie, trying to help Wulfgar, let herself be kissed and half undressed by him. If she didn't take that slap in the face, would they have made love right there? The scene lead us to believe so. RAS made her not consider Drizzt for a single moment... No wonder so many fans don't like her. Drizzt deserved better than a woman with a stupid teenage behavior.
However… I know the "real" Catti-brie wouldn't be like that, that's why I never came to hate the character.

At the end of the book, Entreri badly injures Drizzt, almost killing him. Catti-brie sees this and the feeling described is of agony, perhaps worst than when Wulfgar died in front of her. Then the chapter ends. What was this? Only to bluntly state that she loved Drizzt more than she loved Wulfgar? How many times this was shown? Did it lead somewhere? No. Why bother then?

Sea of Swords
Hmmm… guess what. With Wulfgar out of the picture Drizzt and Catti-brie are closer again. How tiresome. And guess what? They keep gazing at the stars.
Oh but wait! There is a romantic moment between them in this book! Yesss! They actually share the first kiss!!... But we have to IMAGINE IT!!! RAS abruptly ends the cute moment with Catti-brie telling "Wouldn't you just shut up and kiss me?" There you have their first kiss...
Now that HURT!!
All the kisses she shared with Wulfgar were sensually described, but the only one she actually shares with Drizzt was left hanging in the air.

And there's more; before that kiss, they roll on the floor laughing and playing, teasing each other. That's the perfect mood to set a romantic scene between them. They even stop, gazing at each other intensely, Drizzt locking her arms to the ground… and it seemed like Drizzt would kiss her right there. But do you know what happens? She cuts it by saying: "What if we find Wulfgar?"
I suspect that RAS didn't like Drizzt and Cat together. Otherwise he wouldn't do this constantly. Why pair them and make readers feel so frustrated then?? That's being sadistic!

At least in the end things between them seemed more solid, finally. And Wulfgar found love in someplace else, a love that suited him. Looked like things would finally come to therms. Drizzt even stated in one of his introspections that "It was destiny. Catti-brie is the one". He seemed to be at peace with it.
Or so I thought.

In The Thousand Orcs, when Catti-brie wanders by herself and is saved by her hero Wulfgar. she pushes Drizzt from her heart because, while facing death, she thought about her life with him and how much she had to loose if they stayed together (the inter racial issue). In facing death she was afraid of the life she would have had beside the person she loved the most. Tell me… Does… this… make… any… sense… to you?
I've never heard of such a thing. Ever. Not in books. Not in movies. Not in real life.
People that faced death learn how to value life and, above all, the life beside their loved ones. In that situation Catti-brie would, at most, get over her doubts toward her true love. Instead, she's selfish beyond reason. And she flirts with Wulfgar again.

I can't help but repeat the same frustrated lines: had the characters remained on character, all the feelings and doubts she and Drizzt had to sort out would have been sorted out a long time ago. Not in the end of The Hunter's Blade trilogy. Doesn't make sense how stretched the whole situation was already. They are both wise and smart characters. It's like everything they were and they lived in the first books was meaningless.

RAS possibly thought that delaying this long overdue situation between Cat and Drizzt would sell more books.

When Catti-brie finally starts to realise that she might have lost Drizzt forever (after the facing death scene I could't feel a thing) she sees that Drizzt is the one she loves the most. Again. But it seemed this time was for real (RAS chosen it to be.)
Meanwhile Drizzt is with a beautiful elf that teaches him what is to be a true elf (wtf??). Being a true elf is so basic that it doesn't even make sense all the whining about it. Drizzt should have felt it in his heart, because he was always more akin the the surface elves than the drow.
Then it comes the only sensual episode with Drizzt that we've ever read… with Innovindil. The scene didn't bother me. On the contrary. RAS really writes nice love scenes. What bothered me was that, after almost 20 books, the "wondrous" couple Drizzt and Catti-brie never got a single one.
The sword possession episode doesn't count. That wasn't sensual, that was funny beyond reason.

Then at the end of the book they finally get together, like woman and m –drow should be! About time!!! The scene was nicely presented, it was romantic, but… after so much time waiting for it, we ain't got more than a fleeting moment between them. Three lines worth. Next chapter they're lovers, they're in bed, talking about Drizzt leaving. Again, there's no written sensuality, no romantic atmosphere. It's all up to our imagination… not fair.
That's our reward after reading all those books. I would say we deserved more. Don't you think?

Let's take poor Wulfgar as another example… a whole book worth of him and Delly for what?!

There's an interview with RAS where he's asked how he responded to the fans' anger about the whole Drizzt/Catti-brie situation and his answer was something like "I don't have to answer. I just follow the story where it leads me." Does this show a lack of connection with the readers, or even his believable characters? Does this explain why he didn't consider important matters happening between them early in the books?
Probably not even RAS know.

Surely Mr. RAS would equally sell millions of books if Drizzt and Catti-brie had become lovers a long time ago... The story could follow more or less the same, with just that difference. Wulfgar could become a more lovable character if he had stuck with Delly. There's tons of situations that could have developed between Drizzt and Catti-brie as a couple, without Wulfgar meddled in.

I'm not reading Transitions. I know that Catti-brie dies a stupid death at the end, so… There's no point. The author made Drizzt and Catti-brie finally become a couple in a trilogy only to end that in the other, leaving the protagonist in agony.
Catti-brie could still die sooner, by destiny, but if they had a child, imagine the possibilities of pretty stories! And Drizzt would have something to look forward to, a child of his Catti-brie, a legacy of their love! Drizzt could find another woman or elf, but then the whole situation concerning his lost love wouldn't have been for nothing.

So much potential to write good stories in Forgotten Realms, but RAS seemed to have lost the feeling a long time ago (at least with Drizzt books). It often happens when artists work only for the money.

Guess all there's left to the frustrated, like me, is fanfiction and artwork… lots of artwork.  :)
Something I needed to write out of pain after finishing my last Drizzt book ever.

If you read through the whole article, I salute you and apreciate it very much. :) :hug:

English is not my native language, so excuse any mistakes and sudden time changing lines.
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nauticalst4r Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2015
i get where youre coming from, but it seems you're in the story strictly for the shitty inconsequential love interest of drizzt. that's a small piece of the story, and never has it been the focal point on the overall story. go read some forum fanboy love scripts if that's what you're into lol hats off to you for reading 20+ books and the ONLY thing you feel the need to comment on is drizzt and cattibries relationship. i guess that's the result of being a horny young teen reading every book just waiting for a fraction of a page to give you a hard on.
live2love10 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Great Post!! What book is this quote from .. "It was destiny. Catti-brie is the one"??
InazumaNikai-uta Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014
You guys, if you haven't already, NEED to read The Companions, the first book in RAS' new series, the Sundering, things get MUCH better between Catti and Drizzt, however, the book does make things slightly confusing, BUT it pays off in the end. It really does.
Green-Eyed-Leopardes Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015  Professional General Artist
Ya the  next 3 books has them back and actually acting like a married couple. They even have a disagreement between teh two (which is realistic because you know that happens in relationships). 
Siolan Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014
faved for the whole conversation below. :D
Green-Eyed-Leopardes Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Professional General Artist
I started reading this series back in the Spring and I am now on The Pirate King. I understand your frustration between them two. I loved when they went to sea together I thought "wow they finally get to spend time just the two of them". I thought when she went to rescue him that would have defined their love and FINALLY we'd get that kiss. Nope just on the cheek *sigh*.   I honestly wish there was a side series of them off together at sea. I was so frustrated when Wulfgar came back (I kind of saw it coming though when they talked about someone close to drizzt be help captive by Eurtu). I was happy (like we should have been) my heart sank and thought "oh now it is going to drag on some more". As it did for what 3 or 4 more books???? I was happy Wulfgar found Delly and a sweet little daughter and then look what happened (wtf so not fair!!). I actually hated Wulfgar for Delly and I guess because I would have felt the same anguish she did. 

 Then when they did finally make love it was anti- climatic. The orgasm reference was a prefect one.  Then they separate again (wth for?).  I get Drizzt had to close some chapters but she could have done it with him. You know that's what being a wife/husband thing is about.  Screw Wulfgar he would have understood anyway. She shouldn't have gone with him being married to another man (er drow I mean). That would have been a big no no given the history.

 In the Pirate King the share a few love moments (so far anyway I just  started). Which has me happy but like you I found out what happens in the end and I am at least hoping for some more wonderful intimate moments before the final end. I guess I can sort of except it because he'd out live her for centuries anyway (unless he did in battle) but I am also upset about the no children thing. I MEAN DAMN IT HE SHOULD BE A FATHER HE'D BE AN AWESOME FATHER!!!!!!!! He'd be able to have a connection with his kids that he wished he had with Zac ugh!!! 
Green-Eyed-Leopardes Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Professional General Artist
Damn it and I wanted a formal wedding!! I could see Lady Alustral (who I love dearly) giving them a grand wedding in Silverymoon. I also do like the fact she is becoming a mage (even though that ends up being her demise) but that's because I love playing magic users and I kind of connect with Catti-brie. 

OH ya that's the other thing. So many of us fan girls would have loved to be in her shoes and would have been smarted then this. We would have been like "um duh go for the elf dang it!" 
Dancingonthegreen Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014
I agree very much with everything you said. Catti-Brie and Wulgar weren't good material. Catti-Brie was very much a fleshed out character, but Wulfgar seemed...stale. Like everything was put into designing Drizzt and the barbarian was forgotten about.
justnightm Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2013
Oh, man, I came here occasionally but read your post through, and it's great to know another person who love those stories so much.

"Hmmm… guess what. With Wulfgar out of the picture Drizzt and Catti-brie are closer again. How tiresome. And guess what? They keep gazing at the stars." I love this one, which make me smile again and again.

Actually I just finished the two sword and began the orc king. It's sad to know there'll be something bad happen to Catti-brie, but I'm sure I will keep reading. English is not my native too, and my first Drizzt book was even one Mandarin-version crystal shad several years ago when i was still in college. I like to read something else like a song of ice and fire but the stories of Drizzt have its special space in my heart. I think it's a great quality for anyone to leave a evil evironment, well, there're very similiar situation in reality if you know one or two about China.

Anyway, thanks for your share and hope you can enjoy more good books
ineineine Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013
I know this is a pretty old post, but I came across this when searching for info about how Driz and Cat's relationship progresses. I read some RAS books as a teenager and enjoyed them quite a bit, but when I picked up where I left a few weeks ago the endless battle descriptions got old pretty quickly. I just finished reading Siege of Darkness and started Passage to Dawn and was totally dumbstruck too when I realized that NOTHING happened during the six year time on the Sea Sprite. What?! I was like "That's it, I'm done reading this bs. If I read the phrase 'six-hundred pound panther' one more time I'm going to throw the books out the window. I just want to know what happens." Your post was perfect, my curiosity is now sated, thank you.
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013
You're welcome. I'm really glad that this truly felt rant is helping others saving their time for more productive and healthy readings, eheh. ;)
Sharp098 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I never liked Catti-Brie. As I read through all the books RA Salvatore ever wrote about Drizzt I started to think she sounded more like a Mary Sue.
xxbipolarxbearxx Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Transitions actually wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it far more than the Hunter's Blades trilogy. It still was by no means as good as the first few trilogies (Legacy will likely always be my favorite), but it at least resembled the old Salvatore a little more. Also, Wulfgar just completely falls out of the picture in them (which also annoyed me slightly, because it seemed like a cheap and easy way to get rid of a character you weren't sure you wanted to do anything else with), but at least that obstacle is out of the way. And Cattibrie does die a very stupid death, though I'm not sure if it's a permanent thing.

Neverwinter, however, I loved. I just finished Gauntlgrym, and it actually feels like I'm reading books about Drizzt again. There's emotion, and a real plot, and drama. It's pretty great. I was on the verge of giving up on the books after Hunter's Blades as well, but I've changed my mind now. I really suggest continuing if you can ride out the mediocrity of Transitions. It at least has some redeemable moments. Also, pretty much every book of Transitions and Neverwinter can be found on Amazon of for under five dollars. They are at least worth that.
Green-Eyed-Leopardes Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Professional General Artist
I hated "The hunters blades" I am so sick of orcs!!! I mean really how long do you have to make a freaking battle last chapters and chapters ugh! I am like Transitons so far much better and I am really really looking forward to Neverwinter. 
SummerCLatimer Featured By Owner May 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
I feel the exact same way about everything you wrote. Just sayin...
nixihix Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Perfectly acceptable rant
m-lee Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012
So I just finished The Two Swords as well and I have to admit, as drawn out and painful as the relationships are in the book, I can understand why they are there. Mostly because I've pulled the same "stunt" in my own writings.

Yes, it does feel like RAS had other plans in mind for a lot of things Wulfgar for instance. And part of what he writes IS because he did not expect such a strong reaction from fans.

But the thing is, relationships, especially in a fantasy setting, are DIFFICULT, and I think that is part of what is trying to be shown here. With how the characters are set up and their personalities, despite their long histories together Drizzt is too honorable to do much.

Also keep in mind that Catti-brie was only like... 15 or 16 when they first went to reclaim Mithril Hall, so Drizzt's not making a move on her then was simply out of a mindset that she was, in his mind, still a child. It wasn't until after the adventure to rescue Regis does he actually start to realize she's NOT the child she was when they first met.

But still, most of his interpersonal relationships with people he dared get close to had gone WRONG, and he didn't want to add her to that list. I mean after all she was his first friend and only defender when he first went to Icewind Dale. It is because of her that he even met Bruenor and Regis. Because of that alone she was most precious to him of ALL his friends.

But even as a girl and young woman Catti-brie had a fondness that went slightly beyond simply "friends" for Drizzt, even when she was engaged to Wulfgar. And they both were sailing with Deudermont to escape the pain of being at "home", and they were both morning Wulfgar. I think it is more because of that respect for the "Dead" and because they had very little privacy on the ship that they did nothing as a couple on the ship.

Yes, its frustrating as HELL to see Drizzt tormented the way he is. But he is just as stubborn as his friends and it takes that torture and looking within himself for the answers for him to understand. And by doing so can they realize how much closer they are and how much more precious that relationship is. I mean at the end of the book, when ALL Drizzt sees is Catti-brie, THAT is what I was waiting for all this time. For the two dummies to actually be able to KNOW what is in their hearts and to be able to admit it.
Alleluia00 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I am with you all the way with this. I mean WTF was the point of it all?! Time and time again Drizzt kills himmself for this woman only for her to constantly go running into the arms of the huge man-child Wulfgar. I love Drizzt books, Seige of Daarkness was the first Realms book I ever read and I instantly got hooked on it all, especially Drizzt books. So after reading a book that was so late in the series I went back and read everything up until then and then after. And when I finally got to the end of it all, at least up until Transitions, and I came to one conclusion....Salvatore has grown to hate his own prized creation. The only character that I think has in the end been given a worse deal then Drizzt was Cadderly
deadlyfly44 Featured By Owner May 31, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
hi AniHime,
i am up to the thousand orcs and am just as frustrated as you (possibly even more) i mean so far there is not ONE half drow, and with a child, both their legacies could be merged into one exploding warrior! i mean the awesome anti aging and other characteristics 9other than the evilness) of a drow + the unpredictable nature of a human. then the warrior part. there's Catti-bries awesome accuracy and the child would get Khazid hea and Taulmaril. Then theres Drizzt, there's the anklets, Twinkle, and Icingdeath.
RAS has missed alot of legacy in his books.

Oh and did i mension the primordial side of Drizzt? the Hunter combined with Taulmaril as his/her bow and arrows, plus khazid hea aswell as Twinkle and Icingdeath. sooo much magic. sooo much.
bobean2 Featured By Owner May 18, 2011
yes, i agree with your rant. i loved the idea of cat and drizzt but it took so long to finally to get to the point of their relationship. and then, like you said, to have it destroyed in the next trilogy!!! i would think that drizzt deserves some happiness, since he did not have love in his life, except paternal w/ Zak, maybe. But drizzt deserved better. And to make Cat wait for so long since human years are so short anyway.......the (very) short scenes between the two of them make me smile every time i read them. they are cute together as a couple.
when i read about tears streaming from his lavender eyes, and sobbing shoulders, i thought i was going to cry too. why does he have to suffer so much?
i don't recall that cat was unable to have kids
i think children would be a wonderful thing. drizzt would make a very good father-teaching his kids about his philosophies, how to live as a good person, training them, etc. what would happen to twinkle and icingdeath and guenhywar when drizzt is no more? having the kids there after catti brie dies will also help him cope w/ his loss. now he has nothing. and he is so sad and angry
Kingblob Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2011
You speek out of my soul!!
I loved the story of drizzt,well i still do.....but now its not the same anymore.I mean WHY did Cattie-Brie and Regis had to die????? Its just not fair!!!WHY did RAS do that??THAT SUCKS!!He destroyd everything....well i will read the next trilogy,but it wont be fun anymore....AAAAAAARRRRRHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!Im sooo angry at RAS!!!!!WHY did he do this too us readers??????
I was so sad when i read about Cattie-Bries death i was crying because it was so painfull.....
So disapointet.....

Well i gues i have to live with it,even though i HATE it!!
Why did you do this RAS???

But like you said there are still fanfictions and artwork :)
Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
It's been years since I read those books and my memory is worse than Barleyman Butterbur's, but what I remember about the frustrating end with my brief relationship with RAS's books, this is exactly what I felt. In the end, I had the feeling he had no idea where to go with the characters, he had them do stock actions. I actually think that he himself never wanted Cattie-brie to end up with Drizzt, but fan wishes decreed he hook them up, so he did - but loathingly. He had written them in a way he couldn't imagine them together, and he certainly couldn't write them together.

Sea of Swords was the last one I tacked, and didn't get through, just flipped to the end and found confirmed that I had guessed the entire book correctly after the first twenty pages. I took that as a hint I should stop reading them. ;)
CheshireCatsBeloved Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2011
Somehow he had more chemistry with Ellifain >.< and we know how that went don't we. I have to agree with all of this. I read it up to the end because I am a glutton for punishment maybe ? LOL it was sad right up to the end, since they would up with a worse ending than I can imagine I won't mention it here because its a huge spoiler, but I would think someone like the goddess of forest and hunt would be kinder to souls...
AniHime Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
Yeah, I too noticed that he didn't like Catti-brie and Drizzt together, it's "amazing" how we can feel such a thing throughout the books. The only thing that kept me reading them until "The Two Swords" was that I knew they would end up together. I wanted to see that happening. Also, your picture [link] made me want to go through the books after "Passage to Dawn" (the book that started my huge disappointment) to see that scene happening. Got even more disappointed, ah ah... Your drawing shows much more emotion than the scene described in the book.

It's not fair for the fans that buy the books and in the end feel like a huge waste of time (and money). People said that I should try to read the new trilogy and I considered that. But everytime I think about picking a Salvatore's book again, my stomach twitches. :bleh:
Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
My thoughts exactly. It's the one fandom that I'm pretty confident I'll never return to.
LadyCoriana Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010
I got all the way through it! ;)

I feel the same way you do about how drawn-out their relationship is. It's frustrating, as a fan, not to see anything going on with two characters you love.

The only thing I don't agree with you on is that Cattie-brie would get pushy with Drizzt. The way I read his character, until he decides it would be okay for them to be a couple, there's nothing she can do. This boy has nerves of diamond (much harder than steel!) and is so into self-control that he would push her away and go off by himself if she took things too far. And there's a big part of him that's not willing to have children. He's too terribly worried about a child suffering the same prejudice as he did. Maybe he's a little scared, too, of the little ones.

And Cattie-brie, being so wise and knowing him so well, understands how easily he could convince himself it's in everyone's best interest go off by himself. Look at how easily the idiot decides to go to Menzobarranzan!

I really wish there'd been stories of them together and happy. Yeah, they could be neck-deep in monsters and off to help somebody or other recover something important, or whatever action RAS dreams up. But show us the couple dancing at a local festival before the emergency happens, and cuddling together on a chilly night while they're on the road. How about a passionate kiss just before bursting into the middle of a goblin encampment?

But if the frustration fuels your artwork, I guess there's a silver lining!! :D
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2010
Thank you. :)

The only thing I didn't agree when Catti-brie pushed Drizzt away were the circumstances is which she did it. I just can't buy that she pushed away Drizzt after a near-death experience. When that happens to a person the tendency is otherwise. She would want to be closer to Drizzt because she loved him and she didn't have much time on Earth to live beside him.
I wish that RAS had explored the inter-racial situation between them in a more interesting way than he did. Nothing changes that fact that he took way too long to join Drizzt and Catti-brie together. When he finally did it, it was in the most non-rewarding way possible to the readers, considering all the books we went through waiting for it to happen.
Dont-lose-heart Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
this is long... because i talk a lot. lol.

when wulfgar came back from being tortured for so many years catie-brie was forced to deal with things that would otherwise not have had to have been delt with. they thought wulfgar had died and even though he didn't moving on from a dead person is a lot different than moving on from a live one. six years might be a long time but then again in respect of someone's memory it might not seem all that long of a time to wait. some people never move on when a spouse or loved one dies. while drizzt and catie brie were probably getting close when wulfgar shows back up it would certainly be easy to see why they might kind of distance themselves from each other. i mean they find out that he hasn't actually been dead all this time and they probably feel kind of guilty about not being able to help him.

it isn't like he'd really been living those years. he was having his feelings for catie-brie and his head toyed with all those years. he wasn't without "catie-brie" all those years like she was without him.

so for catie-brie she probably felt obligated to kind of give it a second try with wulfgar even though she didn't really want to due to her guilt and the fact that she probably didn't want just just flat out cold heartedly dump the guy after all he had been through. he was still a very important person to both herself and drizzt. it's not that unusual for people to end up in situations they don't really want to be in due to some sense of obligation.

on drizzt's side him and wulfgar were good friends and wulfgar was about to marry catie-brie when he "died."
if suddenly having your old friend who also happens to be your girlfriend's ex at the time of his "death" show up isn't an awkward situation, i don't know what is. he probably felt guilty for liking catie brie and living with her happily all those years while wulfgar was tortured. wulfgar being alive and still having feelings for catie-brie would easily put a friend as loyal as drizzt in a bad spot as far as his own feelings towards catie-brie goes.

the race card for drizzt and catie brie is a lot different than the race card between humans. drizzt would have outlived i dunno how many generations of his family even though they'd still have a longer lifespan than just a normal human. in that respect drizzt and catie-brie being different races would also mean very different things to them.

to catie-brie their kids would live a lot longer life. to drizzt their kid's would still live a fairly short life. on top of that they'd be half drow and likely to run into a lot of hatred because, lets face it, people generally still aren't so happy to see drow even if they're happy to see drizzt.
they'd likely end up facing much the same thing that drizzt faced where they were only really accepted once they had proven themselves to everyone and even then they'll still run into people who don't like them. that's not the kind of thing parents want to bring their kids into. also as far as not having anything hot and heavy happen between them... i don't remember reading anything about any sort of birth control in these books.

kid issue was taken care of thanks to catie-brie's injury in the hunter's blades trilogy causing her to be unable to have kids.

i think that part in the hunter's blades trilogy when catie-brie almost dies she's thinking about how she'll end up being old and feeble but drizzt will still be young and adventuresome or if they had kids they'd eventually have to stop adventuring and she'd likely be too old to go along with drizzt once their kids were old enough to fend for themselves. she knew he wouldn't just go off and leave her 'cause thats just not how he rolls so she wasn't thinking of herself. she was afraid that their relationship would eventually just hold drizzt back and she was afraid of what that would do to their relationship. so she starts to think it'd be better for drizzt if they didn't have a relationship dispite what she wants.

when she thinks drizzt might be dead she ends up thinking about what her life would be like without drizzt and realizes he previous thoughts were stupid because their adventurers and drizzt isn't guaranteed to outlive her because they lived dangerous lives. so since they aren't guaranteed to live longer than the other, or even longer than their current adventure, they should just go for what they want and be happy while they're alive.

also the thing about being a true elf. wasn't so much about race but more about their insanely long lifespans and what it means to have a lifespan be that long but spend time with shorter lived races.
Drizzt was still VERY VERY young as far as elves go and he had spent, as far as he was concerned, the best part of his life with the same group of people. he hasn't had friends grow old and die or anything like that even though he would easily outlive all the real friends he had made up to that point.
eventually the life he was currently enjoying with his friends would be over even if it wasn't from a bloody end but he would still be very young. he would eventually have to start living a new life and a new life after that and another after that because as much as he loves his friends and current life it eventually will end and there's nothing he can do about it.

i think we got very different things out of the books.

the transitions trilogy had to happen sooner or later because most of the drizzt books so far (minus the dark elf trilogy) have been packed into a VERY short time frame considering drizzt's lifespan. as much as people love these characters unless they all die (drizzt included) in a huge battle it doesn't make sense for all the drizzt books to take place in such a small time frame.

i think you should give transitions another go. the ghost king ties the sellswords and the cleric quintet books into the storyline.
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2010
Actually we didn't got things so differently from the books... everything you said is what RAS wanted us to think. But, is it believable that the characters take that huge amount of time to realise the obvious, especially after the build up? Is it believable that suddenly, for no reason at all, they start to behave like teenagers instead of mature and wise characters as they always were? No. Not to me, anyway.

Now, concerning the whole situation about Wulfgar's return, of course mixed feelings between the characters were to be expected. But not in the way RAS wrote, as if the feelings that Catti-brie held for Wulfgar had pratically resumed as if no time passed at all. And what's worse, we don't see her considering Drizzt for an instant. Like if everything RAS had build up between them vanished in the air. Does this make any sense? It would make sense if Wulfgar was her true love. That's obviously not the case, we were hinted from the beginning that she already had feelings for Drizzt, even if buried inside.
You see what I mean? RAS had stretched the inevitable for too long, it all felt like a joke.

Drizzt adventures further in his life, without the Companions of the Hall, strike me as very interesting. But I don't wanna risk feeling frustrated and disappointed again.
MsMarvelDuckie Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
I know what you mean. I felt severely betrayed by what happened in The Ghost King. The entire book felt like a cruel joke. Not only can the two NOT have kids- after getting married (OFF-SCRENE, no less!!), but then RAS just left Drizzt alone and broken. Sadly, I understand the reasons behind it, Given that WotC now owns the rights to him, Drizzt has to be shunted into the age of 4th ed D&D. Which means, of course, that everyone else has to go bye-bye in order to bring his tale up to date, as it were. So, out go Cattie and Regis (and never mind that it was the stupidest way to go...) and in the next three books, we find out what happens to Bruenor and the rest. THANKFULLY, he has brought Jarlaxle and Athrogate into the mix, perhaps to teach Drizzt how to live again after losing her. We'll see what happens...
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010
RAS creations are not his anymore, so we're not reading R.A. Salvatore's books, we're reading Wizards of the Coast. They can do whatever they please with the characters if they feel it'll sell more. There's no connection with them nor the readers. RAS has to write like he's told to. So, how can we trust that he will not write frustrating build ups again? I know I can't.

Btw, your signature cracked me up! :lol: Is it from a book or what?
DroUltrinnin-61 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
TSR I believe gave Sal a lot more leeway with what he wrote. But WoTC are a bunch of dropkicks! They ruined TSR D&D, they took what was the icon of RPG & wrecked it! We refuse to use anything after second ed.

As for the books, I love them & while I agree with you on some things, overall, I still love them. But who knows what the dropkicks might do, or demand? They don't care, they just want to make money. When they bought TSR, they told all the people who played D&D & loved it that they would not change their beloved game. Within a year, they had done just that & in spades!! The threw away Spelljammer, one of the best & most imaginative concepts & went for stupid Alternity, an absolute piece of crap! When the players said they did not want it, they shoved it down their throat! The players still rejected it, it died an undignified and well deserved death.

WoTC were not finished though, they brought out 3rd got people to buy, said it ain't right, got them to buy again & then bought out 4th, all just a money making exercise & they treated dedicated enthusiasts like shit! Then they sold it all to Hasbro! $#%@heads!!

So do you wonder why, if they are in command that things in the books get screwed sometimes? Don't be too hard on Sal, I think he does his best, considering who he is forced to deal with. And you can't knock him for earning a dollar. Not much he can do, he is virtually under contract. I bet it rankles though!

Anyway, we have Jarlaxle actually looking for Cat & Regis? Don't know where thats leading? But This has affected drizzt & his characters changing too, I really think you should read them, because I think things are changing fast & I have high hopes for Gauntlgrym!

Don't give up yet, we might yet be saved! As for WoTC, they can keep their shit! We won't buy it & know many who have played for years who vow the same.

Wow, now I've had my rant!!

Chin up, it can only get better can't it? It surely can't get worse....? Can it?
AniHime Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
I enjoyed your rant! :D I do understand the whole situation concerning RAS and his writing...I used to feel angry, but now that some time passed and I gained some distance from the books, I feel sorry. My disappointment towards the books weren't just for Drizzt and Catti-brie, it was also for the writing, the way some scenes were presented to us and more. It could get better... but it could get worse too. Call me pessimist or realist, but I believe the latter. It's a sad human tendency.

I will surely miss reading more about Drizzt, though...
DroUltrinnin-61 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
I understand, I just love the characters so much I'm prepared to hang in there. Here's hoping!
AniHime Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
Yeah, we never know for sure. :) We might be pleasantly surprised!
DroUltrinnin-61 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
One can only hope!!
MsMarvelDuckie Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
Well, actually, regardless of who owns the rights to the CHARACTERS, the stories are still the writer's own. And though he may be under contract to write more stories for WotC Nazis, the content is still basically his to come up with. He has said numerous times that he goes where the story takes him, as do MOST writers, even under contract. An editor or publisher can make suggestions of what they want to see, but ultimately, it is the author's place to write what they feel is best. If that were not the case, the publishers would write it themselves, and SCREW the writer/craetor!

Incidently, that siggy is one of my fave lines from the movie Spaceballs! Glad you liked it!
Rozax Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010
"Then at the end of the book they finally get together, like woman and m –drow should be!"

I say, drow is the race, man is the gender. It has always annoyed me that Tolkien referred to humans as Men. Sorry, that capital M to signify race doesn't cut it for me. It seems to suggest that women are a sub-species if males are referred to as Men, Elves, and Dwarves, and in each one, the women are simply women.

By that same token, albeit a weaker portion of the coin, what would the male half of each race call themselves?

Okay, that's the end of my rant on fantasy in general. On your rant, I must agree. I truly felt jerked around by these "love" stories that didn't go anywhere. The relationships were entirely contrived, and I completely understand what you mean by the "real Cattie-brie" rather than the long-running impostor RAS created.

As for English not being your native language, well done! :clap: There are a few typos, but they're easily forgiven in light of a good character review.
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
Thank you. :) And it's great to know people who share my feelings on this...

Ahah, I understand and agree with your thoughts about the gender. I guess it comes from our society history in which men prevailed over women for centuries. Some language expressions still show that tendency and people keep using them without thinking about that.

In Siege of Darkness, Catti-brie tells Drizzt that he is a good man, which he answers "Hardly a man". That's why I used the word "drow" insetad of "man". ;)
Rozax Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
Out of context, it sounds as though he's being self-deprecating. My dad didn't like Drizzt a whole lot in the other books after reading The Dark Elf trilogy. He goes through so much character development in that trilogy, and then he turns into a much less dynamic character. I kinda agree with him.

It's disappointing that Salvatore would kill off the one constant female character. It's as though he didn't know what to do with her after Drizzt "got the girl". [link](The Bechdel Test) could have a field day with this one, but that site is only concerned with movies. (It's still worth a look, if you're interested. There's no signing up, and you can add movies that aren't on the list. :))
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010
I thought the same about Drizzt being more dynamic in The Dark Elf trilogy. That's probabily why so many people asked for more novels with Drizzt alone. But I still liked the way RAS wrote about Drizzt until "Passage to Dawn". ;)

I gave up trying to understand why RAS did what he did to Catti-brie. That would only deepen my frustration.
Rozax Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2010
That's where I fail...I keep mulling things over, even though they make me angrier.
lynrinth Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010
I love this. I love how people rant and rave when they feel an injustice has been done. Plus it's fun to read. If this is how you feel, more power to you. And your English, including your spelling, is alot better than most English speaking I know.
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
Wow, really? Thank you! :D
archangel72367 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Unfortunately RAS sold Drizz't to TSR (or Wizards of the Coast or whatever they are calling themself now) around the time of Seige or Passage, so they tell RAS they want Drizzt to do such and such and he writes it.
Rozax Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010
Wow, that explains a lot.
archangel72367 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2010  Student Digital Artist
You might enjoy this as well... [link]
Rozax Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
Thank you.
AniHime Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010
The movie totally knocked me out!!! :rofl:

RAS interview kind of explains a lot...:no:
archangel72367 Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Thought you might enjoy the movie!
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